Prior & William Vess Research

New: Wilkes County, NC Vest Record

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Reviewing unindexed Wilkes County, NC records of Civil Action Papers, I discovered the original 1807 court records for Pryor (Pryah) and William Vest regarding assault.

This record calls William and Pryor before the court, instructing that they cannot leave the court without being dismissed (I wonder if this is like an arrest warrant).

It also mentions Peter Vest!
Peter Vest and Mathew McKinney paid money for the appearance of Pryah and William Vest.

Interestingly, Mathew McKinney (based on available records) is not a resident of Wilkes County, NC, but a resident of Surry County, NC.

Why would a resident of Surry County, NC be involved?

With Peter being on the border of Wilkes and Surry County…could this be William Vest and Peter Vest listed on the Surry County War of 1812 record??? AND, possibly William Voss listed on the 1812 Surry County tax list (who didn’t turn in their lists)???

According to historical websites regarding War of 1812, the Surry County Militia would have included residents from Wilkes County, as Wilkes was formed from parts of Surry County.

Note: William Vest on earlier Wilkes County, NC records disappeared after the 1790 census.


This newly discovered document officially connects William, Pryor, and Peter Vess/Vest together in Wilkes County, NC!! Who we later see in White County, TN together after 1815, followed by a Willis Vess.

Could there be a connection to Willis Vess of Franklin County, Alabama?




Pryor & William Vest: History of Assault Charges

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I was browsing White County, Tennessee records and well, it looks like Pryor and William Vest are in trouble again for assault!

This appears to have occurred around 1825. I am not sure though, if this led to Pryor’s imprisonment in Warren County, TN where he died in 1831.

These two were certainly a pair, as they were both in jail for assault in Wilkes County, North Carolina in 1807. Records indicate they were found “not guilty.”

However, the Wilkes County, North Carolina Vess/Vest family all appear to have split ways after 1810; suggesting to me, the 1807 assault incident probably triggered the separation of the their family.

Now, despite compelling circumstantial evidence, there is still no solid proof that the Wilkes County, NC Vest/Vess family are related to our R1a2 Vess family. However, if they were, this would certainly be a reason why earlier Vess family history has been lost and forgotten. Their history of assaults wouldn’t be something anyone would want to talk about – ever.


Death of Pryor Vest (1831 Tennessee)

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According to Sparta Recorder & Law Journal (Jan. 7, 1832), Pryor Vest died on December 29, 1831 in the Warren County jail from Typhus Fever.

Details of his death was published with reassurance his cause of death was not due to mistreatment of prisoners.

Why Pryor Vest was in prison, is unknown. Earlier Warren county records have been lost due to a court-house fire in 1852.

We do know that Pryor Vest was charged with assault in 1807 in Wilkes County, North Carolina, but was found not guilty. Wilkes County, NC, Pleas & Quarter Sessions Court Minutes 1805-1810
Transcribed by John A. McGeachy.

Pryor, William, and Peter Vest (unsure of their relation), settled in White County, Tennessee after 1810, with Pryor Vest obtaining land on Caney Fork in 1814 in an area later to be known as Sparkmantown in Van Burren County, which included the Dodson, Medley, Sparkman, Vest, and Simmon families.

You can see the Vess/Vest record history below.

YEARName Record Location
1814Pryor Vest Land RecordCaney Fork
1815Pryor Vest Land RecordCaney Fork
1815Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1816Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1817Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1818Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1819
1820Peter Vest Census RecordCaney Fork
1821
1822
1823Pryor and William VestTax List Caney Fork
1824Prior Vasse and William VassTax List Caney Fork
1825William Vest Tax List Caney Fork
1826William Vist and Willis Vist Tax List Caney Fork
1827
1829
1830Peter VestCensus RecordCaney Fork
1831Pryor Vest Death Warren County Jail (next to White Co)
Sources: Ancestry.com, Familysearch.org, and Newspapers.com Sparta Recorder & Law Journal Jan. 7, 1832

*There is no evidence to suggest Willis Vest of Tennessee is the same as Willis Vess of Alabama; however, there is circumstantial evidence (see previous posts) to strongly suggest they are both of the same Vess/Vest family.

VESS Family: Intriguing Discoveries

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Between 1800-1830, we have pockets of Vess/Vest families throughout the United States, but no idea how they are all related (if related at all).

Austosomal DNA evidence only provides bits and pieces to the puzzle. This is because not all the family trees connected to our shared DNA matches are accurate or complete, not all descendants are testing, and there is also the problem that some DNA testers, although 100% related, just don’t show up on our shared DNA results due to being too distant to detect, especially, with ancestral connections 6-8 generations back. However, autosomal shared DNA matches do offer valuable clues to where our earlier ancestors may have lived; which is how we were able to uncover the VESS/VEST family in Wilkes County, North Carolina. A lot of our shared DNA matches with the VESS family have a significant amount of family trees with earlier ancestors in Wilkes-Stokes-and Surry County, North Carolina; kind of concentrated along the Yadkin River.

Ancestry.com splits my maternal and paternal DNA matches, which is extremely helpful, since my DNA is pretty murky between two parents with deep roots in the south. However, all my shared DNA matches with the VESS line share something in common: western North Carolina. I am confident that our VESS family has connections with the VESS/VEST family in Wilkes County, North Carolina; I just don’t know the exact connection yet.

These are some intriguing new discoveries I’ve dug since January of this year…

A Peter Vess in Franklin County, Alabama

Occasionally, I browse newspaper articles on Newspaper.com for VESS families and sometimes, I get lucky…

Below is a newspaper clipping for a PETER VESS dated 1842 in Franklin County, Alabama!

This is really interesting, because the only VESS ancestor we know of in Franklin County, Alabama during the 1840’s is WILLIS VESS. What’s even more interesting, is that mail for Peter VESS is being held at the post office in Russellville, which is the same post office for the Willis VESS family. So, Who is Peter Vess?

SPARKMANTOWN: South Side of Caney Fork

I have reason to believe that the Willis VESS family is connected to the VESS/VEST family in White County, TN. Specifically, in an area once known as Sparkmantown (below). It consisted of the SPARKMAN, DODSON, SIMMON, SMALLMAN, and MEDLEY families in Van Buren County (White County), Tennessee; families who were also listed next to Peter VEST on the 1820 and 1830 census and on the VESS/VEST land records.

Reviewing the land records for Pryor, Willis, and William VESS/VEST in White County, Tennessee, they all mention having property on the “south-side” of Caney Fork (mountain side). In 1840, the south-side of Caney Fork became Van Buren County, Tennessee.

Peter VEST is listed on the 1820 and 1830 census for White County, Tennessee. There are no VESS/VEST families listed thereafter; probably due to the county change in 1840. A William R. VEST is listed on the 1840 census for Van Buren County, Tennessee (below), living with the DODSON family and a SPARKMAN.



According to a previous post, Willie Vess: Interesting New Discovery, I discovered a land record between “Willie” VESS and Zachariah SIMMONS. I also discovered a marriage record between a William DODSON and a MARTHA VEST. So, there was a VESS/VEST presence in the area known as Sparkmantown.



Interestingly, I have a lot of Autosomal DNA matches (shared matches with my VESS family) with descendants of the SIMMON family in White County, TN, suggesting a possible connection to White County, Tennessee; however, I am not sure where the connection is, for that the family trees are incomplete.

I wonder if the Peter VESS in White County, Tennessee in 1830, could be the same Peter VESS in Franklin County, Alabama in 1840?

John P. Vess: Franklin County, Alabama Thoughts

We know Willis VESS is part of our VESS family, because of Y-DNA testing. According to my DNA results, I share DNA matches with the descendants of Henry Russell VESS (son of Willis Vess), John P. VESS (brother of Willis Vess), John Jackson VESS (son of Willis Vess), and Mary Elizabeth VESS (daughter of Willis Vess). Those descendants also appear to share DNA matches with other Peter VESS (of Rutherford County, North Carolina) descendants; however, not all of them; which could just be due to a variation of genes or they are just too distant on the family tree to detect.

John P. VESS intrigues me, because I am not quite sure where he came from… he is significantly younger than Willis VESS and doesn’t appear to come into existence until the 1860 census. Also, his census records, regarding birth, alternate between North Carolina and Tennessee.

According to the 1880 census, he was born in Tennessee and that his parents were born in North Carolina, which falls in line with Pryor and William VESS/VEST moving from Wilkes County, North Carolina to White County, Tennessee. He is also married to Lousia F. SIMMONS at this time, who appears to be a descendant of the SIMMONS family from White County, Tennessee (but that could just be coincidence).

If he didn’t come from White County, Tennessee VESS/VEST family, could he be John VESS, the son of Peter VESS in Rutherford County, North Carolina?

In 1854, Peter’s son, John VESS, divorced his wife Elizabeth TAYLOR. The Petition for Divorce was announced in the newspaper stating he was an out-of-state resident; but where did he go?

John VESS in Rutherford County, North Carolina, born 1820, who married Elizabeth TAYLOR, had his first child in 1841 (Sarah Vess who married Jackson Pressely). The John VESS in Franklin County, Alabama, born in 1822, who married Sarah WHITLOCK, appears to have had his first child in 1853 (at the age of 31). That seems a bit unusual, considering men usually started families in their 20’s. But again, census records are notorious for being inaccurate.

Nathaniel Vess: Interesting Coincidences

After an update on Ancestry.com, I no longer have DNA matches with Nathaniel Vess (South Carolina line) or Jonathan Vess (Texas line) anymore. If they are related to our VESS family, they are too distant to detect on Autosomal DNA testing; suggesting they were likely cousins or half-siblings of Willis and Peter VESS. According to oral traditions, Peter and Nathaniel VESS were supposedly half-siblings.

Looking at the 1830 census record for Nathaniel VESS in Rutherford County, North Carolina, we see Nathaniel with his father-in-law John BELLEW.

I discovered that the BELLEW and GOSNELL families settled in Glassy Mountain, Greenville, South Carolina. I strongly believe Nathaniel VESS is from there too.

Looking back at the 1830 census (above), I noticed a CONSTANT PLUMLY (PLUMLEY). Interestingly, the VESS/VEST family in White County, Tennessee has an early land record adjoining property with a PLUMLEY family on Caney Fork (below). Further research reveals the two PLUMLEY’S are related…

Constant PLUMLEY is the son of William PLUMLEY and Hester O’NEAL. In 1790, William PLUMLEY lived in Burke County, North Carolina, before moving south to South Carolina. His son, Issac PLUMLEY, Constant’s brother, settled in White County, Tennessee on Caney Fork. According to family trees, William PLUMLEY died in Glassy Mountain, Greenville, South Carolina in 1830.

What is even more interesting, is that according to the 1830 census for Greenville, South Carolina, we have a Polly VESS (below). Could she be related to Nathaniel Vess?

As for family stories go, which are not always accurate, I was told a family story about our VESS family having once respected an O’NEAL outlaw. Could Hester O’NEAL, wife of William PLUMLEY have been part of that O’NEAL family?

Did Constant PLUMLEY move to Rutherford County, North Carolina with Nathaniel VESS and John BELLEW from Glassy Mountain, Greenville, South Carolina in 1830? And is there a PLUMLEY – VESS connection?

Pryor Vest: Marion County, Tennessee

Lastly, I discovered a new land record for Pryor VEST; this time in Marion County, Tennessee in 1830.

I am not sure if this is the same Pryor VEST as the one in Wilkes County, NC and White County, TN. He doesn’t appear on any census records for any of the locations he has land records and he appears to have land in numerous counties, not just White County, TN. Why is he so elusive?

Research is Slow, but Appears Steady

Research is slow, mostly due to the lack of available records; however, I do feel we are gaining some traction in uncovering the mysteries of the VESS/ VEST family.

I may not be able to provide any solid conclusions, but I will do my best to post as much as possible to help others who are working on the same research.








Pryor, William, Peter and Willis: White County, TN 

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I am pretty convinced that Pryor and William Vest of Wilkes County, North Carolina ended up in White County, Tennessee. While the evidence may seem compelling that they may be related to Willis Vess, I haven’t been able to find any solid evidence to prove it.

1807 Wilkes County, North Carolina

In 1807, Pryor and William VEST are in trouble, both with serious court cases. Pryor Vest had been charged with assault. Who he had assaulted is unknown, but the jury had found him not guilty. It appears that William Vest was also involved, as it was ordered that the prosecutor pay for all costs and jail fees for “both cases.” I assume they were in jail and perhaps for a lengthy time, since it also mentions “12 months of good behavior;” but perhaps that meant 12 months of no other infractions. Either way, they probably had a good reason to leave town and start a new life…

1814 White County, Tennessee

In 1814, Pryor Vest obtains land in White County, Tennessee on Caney Fork.

1815-1818 White County, Tennessee

In 1815, Pryor Vest obtains more land on Caney Fork.
From 1815-1818, Pryor and William Vest are listed on the tax records.

1820 White County, Tennessee

In 1820, Peter VESS comes along on the 1820 census.

1823-1826 White County, Tennesse

From 1823-1826, the tax lists show Pryor and William VEST, but under various spellings.

1823: Pryor VEST and William VEST
1824: Prior VASSE and William VASS
1825: William VEST
1826: William VIST and Willis VIST

1830 – 1850 White County, Tennessee

In 1830, Peter VESS is listed on the 1830 census. There is also a Lucy Vess, but doesn’t seem to be listed near Peter Vess or any familiar neighbors.

In 1831, William “VESS” obtains land on the south-side of Caney Fork, which will later become Van Burren County.

Our known ancestor, Willis Vess, is shown on the 1830 census record for Franklin County, Alabama (indexed as VISS); however, in 1837, 1846, and 1849, a Willis “Vess” obtains land on Caney Fork (mountain side, which I believe per the map, the mountain side is the south side of Caney Fork). Note: The TN 1826 tax record Willis is listed as VIST. Is this our Willis Vess or a different Willis Vess??


Willis Vess in Alabama obtained numerous plots of land in Franklin Co. Alabama, who’s to say, he didn’t obtain land elsewhere?

What Ties Them All Together

The tax, land, and census records, show Pryor, William, Peter, and Willis all on Caney Fork, near the same neighbors: Plumley, Dodson, and Hodge. Incredibly, the same Hodge and Dodson family from Virginia where we find records of Samuel, William, and Peter VESS/VEST.

Later census records for Willis Vess state he was born in North Carolina and we have records of Pryor and William VEST being in Wilkes Co. NC prior to 1814.

Also, John P. Vess, who married Sarah Whitlock, believed to be the brother of Willis Vess, has an 1880 census record stating he was born in Tennessee and his parents were born in North Carolina. Interesting how that fits with Pryor and William’s history having lived in North Carolina prior to Tennessee.

Also, Willis Vess has an intriguing land record in Alabama that mentions a heir named William Vess. A person we have yet to identify; unless it is his nephew, William Vess, son of John P. Vess (not 100% confirmed). There is a William Vess on a census record for John P. Vess, but he is listed as a “step-son.”

Of course, census records are notorious for being somewhat inaccurate.

There is also the VESS name itself. Every known Vess line has earlier records with the VEST name. We can usually tell them apart from the VEST family from Virginia, but how records over a period of time end up showing various different spellings, like VESS, VISS, VIST, POST, VASS, etc. I have not seen any VEST family records have such an array of different surname spellings like our VESS family.

Time Line

Trying to fill in the blanks as I locate records…

Tax and land records are available on Familysearch.org, but it stops loading after about 20 slides and takes a long time for it to work again – so progress in searching records in a file of 1500 slides is super slow.

YEARName Record Location
1814Pryor Vest Land RecordCaney Fork
1815Pryor Vest Land RecordCaney Fork
1815Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1816Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1817Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1818Pryor and William VestTax ListCaney Fork
1819
1820Peter Vess Census RecordCaney Fork
1821
1822
1823Pryor and William VestTax List Caney Fork
1824Prior Vasse and William VassTax List Caney Fork
1825William Vest Tax List Caney Fork
1826William Vist and Willis Vist Tax List Caney Fork
1827
1829
1830Peter VessCensus RecordCaney Fork
1831
1832
1833
1834
1835

Vess/Vest Family Of White County, Tennessee

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While investigating Willis Vess, I may have found my way back to the Patrick County, VA Vess/Vest family!

My game plan to try to uncover the origins of the Alabama Vess family include looking at maps, neighbors, spouses, genealogy records (census, land, probate, etc), and the history of Alabama.

Investigating Land Records

Franklin County, Alabama was first established in 1818, before Alabama became a state (December 14, 1819). Records of early settlers of northern portions of Alabama may be found in the Mississippi Territory records. Unfortunately, I haven’t found any records of interest.

The earliest record I’ve found on Willis Vess is an 1830 census record for Franklin County, Alabama. However, he is listed as being between the ages of 30-40, living with two females between the ages of 15-30. This does not appear to match the timeline reported on family trees. Also, he is 10 years younger in the 1840 census (listed as being between the ages of 20-30). Census records are notorious for their mistakes.

Interestingly, on the 1830 census record, I do recognize two familiar family names next to Willis Vess: SUGG and THARP.

Willis Vess lived near both of them and the Sugg family has records as early as 1819. In fact, despite the 1820 Alabama census record being supposedly incomplete, it does contain some families from the Foxtrap area [THARP, SUGG, MATLOCK, THOMPSON, and DEBOIS].

Littleberry Matlock is shown on the Alabama Genweb plat map, living next to Willis Vess. Further research reveals that he married Phoebe Tharp whose father is Robert Tharp (1820 census above) and supposedly (not confirmed yet) her mother is a Thompson from Rutherford County, North Carolina. Interesting!

After 1830, we believe Willis Vess married Talitha Whitlock; unfortunately, I have not been able to find a marriage record. However, we do know a lot about the Whitlock family due to extensive research by Anna Popejoy and published works by the Whitlock Newsletter via Google. The Whitlock family arrived in Alabama in 1820 and lived in an area referred to as Saints cross (which is near Foxtrap). I figure this may be how Willis Vess and Talitha Whitlock met each other.

The oldest children of Willis and Talitha Vess married into the Willis family, which may suggest the Vess and Willis families were close (they were close neighbors shown on the map below) and it is believed that the Willis family may have connections with the parents of Willis Vess (no evidence yet).

I do not know when the Willis family arrived in Franklin Alabama, however, both John Willis and Willis Vess appear on the 1830 census record (several pages apart).

Looking at the President’s name on their undated land records for Franklin County, Alabama, it appears that John Willis purchased land near the Foxtrap area before Willis Vess. John Willis’ record [No. 5972] was signed by Andrew Jackson who was President between 1829-1837 and Willis Vess’ record [No. 8737] was signed by Martin Van Buren who was President between 1837-1841.

The map below (looking at surrounding families) seem to have been something that was put together sometime after the 1850’s. The earliest known neighbor near Willis Vess is James Dubois [No. 8705, also issued in 1837] who is seen on the 1820 census record (above). The land record for John Willis signed by Present Andrew Jackson is not dated, but was likely issued between 1829-1837 and land records No. 19711 and 19712 was signed between 1857-1861 when James Buchanan was President. Unfortunately, nothing seems to reveal any clues about the Vess family prior to 1830.

Willis Vess appears to have owned several properties in the Foxtrap area.

I found 3 land records for Willis Vess:
No. 8737 August 5, 1837
No. 20457 & 20252 April 2, 1857 *No. 20451 & 20452 on map (above)
No. 25798 March 1, 1858 (William Vess as heir) *No. 25797 on map (above)


Who is William Vess?
None of the family trees I have come across for Willis Vess have a William Vess on them, so I am not entirely sure who he is; however, it certainly makes my next discovery extremely intriguing…

1846 Tennessee Record: Peter, Willis, William Vess/ Vest

There is one Willis Vess record that intrigues me the most and it is a land record for White County, Tennessee (1846) on Caney Fork.

Is this Willis Vess of Alabama?

Tennessee Virtual Archives

Willis Vess of White County, Tennessee, appears to have 2 land records for a property on Caney Fork:
No. 2012 dated 1831
No. 9156 (addition to No. 2012) dated 1849

The property interestingly joins Daniel Dotson (Dodson).

Looking at census records, I do not see a Willis Vess; however, there is an 1820 and 1830 census record for Peter Vest, whose neighbor is Daniel Dotson (Dodson).

In addition, there is also a William Vess. He also purchases land in 1831 No. 2071, whose property takes over land once owned by John Medley (see 1820 census above). William Dodson and Sam Moore are witnesses listed on the record. William Vess can be found on the 1830 census record. Is this William Vess, the William Vess who is “heir” to the Willis Vess of Alabama’s 1858 land record in Franklin County, Alabama??

And, furthermore, is this Peter Vest, the same Peter Vest listed on the Patrick Co. Deeds (1791-1941 Indexes, grantor pg. 77 on FHL Film 33,333) with wife “Margaret,” who appears to have land next to the Dodson family on North Fork in Patrick County, Virginia? A 1793 transaction which was witnessed by George Dodson Sr., George Dodson Junior, Benjamin Fletcher, and Thomas Dodson.

Perhaps, it is Peter and William Vess of Patrick County, Virginia (Deed Records) on North Fork with William Willis??

Is there an actual connection or is this just coincidence?

Conclusions

Wow!

A Franklin County, Alabama land record for Willis Vess and “heir” William Vess.
A Willis and William Vess in White County, Tennessee, with a Peter Vest.
All near a Dodson family.
And… interestingly, there is a Peter Vess and William Vess in Patrick County, Virginia, not only living next to a Dodson family, but ALSO a Willis family.

I don’t have enough documented evidence to make any solid connections, but I am absolutely intrigued!

Tennessee is a mixing pot of Vest, Voss, Vaulx, and Vess families! Hopefully, with more research, we can determine which family the Vess/Vest family of White County, Tennessee belongs to!