Exploring The Life of Alfred Webb Vess 1826-1882

Alfred Webb Vess 1826-1882

Rutherford County, North Carolina

Alfred Webb Vess is the 4th son of Peter Vess and Catherine “Katie” Crook. He was born in 1826 in Rutherford County, North Carolina in the Knob Creek community. He had 9 siblings: John, Josiah (Joseph), Andrew Logan, Rachel, Elizabeth, Alexander, Eliza, Zephaniah, and Jasper. 

Alfred Webb Vess may have been named after Rev. Alfred Webb, who was a pastor at Bill’s Creek Baptist Church between 1827-1833. His parents were members of Bill’s Creek Baptist Church between 1829-1836, and his great-grandfather, William Pressley Haynes, is believed to have been one of the first pastors at Bill’s Creek Baptist Church.

In 1831, the Vess family moved to the Broad River Township of Rutherford County (now Buncombe County), on Cedar Creek in between Old Fort, McDowell County and Fairview, Buncombe County. However, the Vess family would eventually returned back to the Knob Creek community.

In 1846, Alfred and his brothers joined Bill’s Creek Baptist Church with their mother, Catherine (without Peter). In 1850, they are back in the Knob Creek community. Alfred (21 years old) was still living with his family, which included his mother and all his siblings, except for Andrew Logan Vess (who was living next to his Halford in-laws at the time). 

Franklin County, Georgia

In 1853, Alfred Webb Vess married Mary Elizabeth McFarlin in Franklin County, Georgia, daughter of Benjamin McFarlin and Nancy Stone from Abbeville County, South Carolina (Savannah River area). Together they had 5 children: Benjamin E. Vess, Albertina Vess, Alfred Webb Vess Jr. , Mary Jane Vess, and Lucy Lee Vess. 

It is not known as to why Alfred Webb Vess settled in Georgia, so far away from his Vess family in North Carolina. He may have followed his older brother John Vess out of state, as a divorce record for John, dated 1854, states he was an “out-of-state” resident. There is reason to believe John may have went to South Carolina, which maybe where Alfred met the McFarlin family. At this time, there is no evidence that Alfred went to South Carolina before settling in Georgia. 

If you have any information about why or how Alfred Webb Vess settled in Georgia, please leave a comment below.  🙂

Civil War

At the age of 36, on May 12, 1862, Alfred Webb Vess joined the military, having served as a Confederate solider (private rank) under the 34th Regiment, Georgia Infantry, Company G.

In May of 1864, he appears to have transferred to Company I. On December 16, 1864, he was captured in battle and imprisoned in Nashville, Tennessee. 

A few months later, Alfred contracted the Measles and was hospitalized in Richmond, VA on February 26, 1865. According to the Widow Pension files, Measles had settled in his lungs. He regained enough health to finish out his service in the army (as a musician,) but after returning home to Franklin County, GA, he struggled with poor health ever since. 

Athens, Clarke Co. ,Georgia

After the Civil War, Alfred and his family moved to Athens, Clarke County, Georgia, where census records indicate he was a “sewing machine agent.” According to the 1880 census, they were living at 307 Strong Street, which appears to be where the Hotel Indigo is now, located downtown Athens near the University of Georgia. 

Alfred Webb Vess appears to have been appointed as Constable, with a probate / bond record dated 1878, mentioning duties as Constable of the 216th District (more research is needed). 


Not much seems to be known or has been shared with me about his life in Georgia. If you have any information that you would like me to add to this article to share with others, please comment below or email me at vessgenealogy.com.

Death: Alfred Webb Vess and Mary E. Vess

Alfred Webb Vess died on October 27, 1882 in Athens, GA, due to Consumption (Tuberculosis), believed to have been brought on by the Measles contracted during the Civil War.

According to the Widow Pension files, it was clearly stated that Alfred Webb Vess did not die a pauper, despite having left no property or money to his wife, Mary. 

After Alfred’s death, Mary went to live with her son, Alfred Webb Vess Jr. She filed several pension applications, with a physicians statement detailing her poor health that prevented her from being able to work. According to the physician statements, she was confined to her bed due to Chronic Bronchial Catarrh (chronic bronchitis), with a severe cough. It was also noted that she suffered from neurological pain, anxiety, and frequent stomaches. Mary E. Vess, passed away on December 26, 1908. 

Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their burial sites. 

Sources:

Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History 1782-1982, by Helen M. Lu. 

Ancestry.com: Historical Data Systems, Inc.; Duxbury, MA 02331; American Civil War Research Database

Ancestry.com. Georgia, U.S., Confederate Pension Applications, 1879-1960[database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009.

Hunting For Bears, comp.. Georgia Marriages, 1699-1944 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Notes: Bonds, Vol B, 1847-1876; Guardian, Administrators, and Executors, Vol F, 1877-1928

https://adp.ehistory.org/athens-ga/historic-street-address

Cora Nevada Moffitt (1873-1933)

The Moffitt family is one of my favorite families to research. They have been in America since before the American Revolutionary War and not only do they have interesting family stories, but also have interesting family connections.

When researching families in North Carolina, it’s not uncommon to come across a Moffitt. Although they are not considered a so-called “prominent” family (one with political power or wealth), they were indeed a well-known family.

Cora Nevada Moffitt and Pinkney Elcanah Vess

Cora Nevada Moffitt

Cora Nevada Moffitt is my 2nd great-grandmother, wife of Pinkney Elcanah Vess, daughter of Rev. James Ivy Moffitt and Nancy Murphy.

She was born in Missouri on March 31, 1873. It is my understanding that her father traveled for his work. Home for the Moffitt family was in McDowell County, North Carolina (BroadRiver Township).

On August 4, 1889, she married Pinkney Elcanah Vess, son of Andrew Logan Vess and Lucy Linnia Malinda Halford. Not much is known about Pinkney, except that he was a farmer. [Below: Pinkney is mentioned in local newspaper 1915].

They lived in McDowell County, NC and had 7 children together: Rev. Lennie Oran Vess, Rev. Arthur Lee Vess, James Elmer Vess, Emmett Flyod Vess, McKinley Vess, Marion Beverly Vess, and William Herman Vess.

Cora Nevada Moffitt died on December 2, 1933 in Old Fort, McDowell County, North Carolina and is buried beside her husband, Pinkney E. Vess in Old Fort City Cemetery.




Top Left: Marion Beverly Vess Right Top Right: James Elmer Vess
Middle Left: Cora Moffitt (children not named) Middle Right: James Elmer Vess “dad Vess” (cannot make out other names) Bottom Right: Rev. James Ivy Moffitt (Cora’s father)

*Photos colorized be author


The Moffitt/Maffitt Story

A publication on Ancestry.com titled, A Letter To Emily and John Maffitt, written by Richard Bird Maffitt, the son of John Moffitt and Matilda Bird, provides us some history about the Moffitt / Maffitt family. Because it is difficult to follow who-is-who in the letter, I will summarize by using Cora Nevada Moffitt as a point of reference on the family history tree; as well, as include additional information I have discovered about the Moffitt family.

John Maffitt (Moffitt) and Sarah Donahue, Cora’s 2nd great-grandparents, came to America before the Revolutionary War from Donegal, Ireland. They had two sons, William and John. Our family descends from John Maffitt (Jr.).

Richard Maffitt writes that John Maffitt Jr. was an indentured servant for General Davidson (Burke County) until he was 21 years old, learning the “art” of tanning. General Samuel Davidson and Benjamin Burgin were prominent land-owners at the time.

John Maffitt Jr. married Sarah Whitaker (Cora’s great-grandparents). Sarah Whitaker’s father was a Whig and a solider of the Revolutionary War. Sarah went to live with General Davidson after her mother had died and her father’s property was destroyed by tories. After John fulfilled his indentured servant contract, they got married and moved to what is now McDowell County, North Carolina.

They had 9 children together:
John Maffitt who married Matilda Bird
Mary Maffitt who married Thomas Curtis
James Maffitt who married Eleanor Mackey
Elizabeth Maffitt (never married)
Sarah Maffitt who married Curtis Saunders
William Maffitt who married Elizabeth Eliza Bird (Cora’s grandparents)
Abagail Maffitt (never married)
Josiah Maffitt who married Sarah Huggins

A Letter To Emily and John Maffitt (Summary)

William Whitaker Maffitt and Elizabeth Eliza Bird

Cora’s grandparents are William Whitaker Maffitt (1795-1874) and Elizabeth Eliza Bird (1804-1885). Elizabeth’s father, Cora’s great-grandfather, Richard Bird, was a traveling Methodist minister.

Richard Bird
Ancestry.com submitted by KarenByrd10

William Maffitt and Elizabeth Bird lived in McDowell County, North Carolina. From what I can tell, they had 16 children!


Rev. James Ivy Moffitt & Nancy Elizabeth Murphy

James Ivy Moffitt (1843-1921) and Nancy Elizabeth Murphy are Cora Nevada Moffitt’s parents. They lived in the BroadRiver Township (Buncombe County/ McDowell County). They were married on November 2, 1865 and had 9 children together:

Cicero Stuart Moffitt (1866-1946), Olive Antoinette Moffitt (1868-1898), Ulysses Sherman Moffitt (1877-1953, Cora Nevada Moffitt (1873-1933), Wilson Albert Moffitt (1874-1877), Nancy Elizabeth Moffitt (1877-1961), Gemma Alephair Moffitt (1881-1972), Gertrude Moffitt (1882-1928), and James Frederick Moffitt (1885-1906).

James Ivy Moffitt and Nancy Elizabeth Murphy divorced, with James leaving North Carolina for Texas. It is said that he didn’t want to divorce Nancy and that he tried to get her to come with him to Texas, but she refused (I don’t know if this is true or not).

Children of James Ivy Moffitt and Nancy Murphy




Top Left: Gemma Alephair Moffitt Top Right: Olive Antoinette Moffitt
Middle Left: Cora Nevada Moffitt Middle Right: Cicero Stuart Moffitt
Bottom Left: Ulysses Sherman Moffitt and wife, Harriett “Hattie” Bell Lydia Clubb


Big Jim Burgin and Gertrude Moffitt

James “Big Jim” Burgin married Gertrude Moffitt, daughter of James Ivy Moffitt (Cora’s sister).

He worked on the Mount Mitchell Railroad. I believe Gertrude’s nephew, James Elmer Vess, son of Pinkney E. Vess and Cora Moffitt, also worked on the Railroad with James Burgin.

James Burgin is related to the prominent Burgin family of North Carolina; distantly related to Pioneer Ben Burgin. The Burgin family not only had large tracts of land, but also held positions in local government.


The Murphy Family : William Albertus Murphy Stories

Nancy Elizabeth Murphy is Cora’s mother. Nancy’s parents are William Albertus Murphy and Zillah Owneby (Granny Duck), Cora’s grandparents. The Murphy family is connected to many well-known families in Vess Genealogy, such as Ledbetter, Owenby, Hodge, Searcy, Dalton, Elliott, and many, many, more. There is a publication on Ancestry.com, titled William Albert Bertus Murphy, in which I would like to share:



Interesting Story Between William and Zillah (Summary)

William Murphy and Zillah Owenby had an interesting beginning together.

Zillah Owenby and Squire Tom Ledbetter had a child together, but Ledbetter did not want to marry Zillah; so he paid William Albertus Murphy to marry her instead (abt. 1840). Zillah and William did not live together and William took a job as a stagecoach driver. As the story continues, he came back and opened a store in which Zillah and her daughter (Ledbetter’s child) appears to have visited often in which a true relationship started to form. After awhile, Zillah and William eventually moved in together (although already married).

Ancestry.com 3/7/2014 johnfbays William Albert Bertus Murphy

James “Jim” Westly Murphy (Summary)

During William Murphy’s time as a stagecoach driver, he got a woman pregnant by the named of Fagans. William brought the boy, named “Jim,” home with him for a visit when the boy was 12 years-old. The story continues that (Nancy) Fagans, came after her son, but her son refused to go back home with her. She had brought a man with her to help take back her son. She told the man to help her “tie” up her son. William stopped them from tying up the boy and told them, “Don’t you lay your hands on my SON, he can stay with me if he wants to!” The boys mother left without him and Jim took on his father’s surname: Murphy.

Ancestry.com 3/7/2014 johnfbays William Albert Bertus Murphy

The publication, William Albert Bertus Murphy, available on Ancestry.com, has a few more stories on it that I recommend you checking out!

Top Left: Nancy Murphy on the porch Top & Botton Right: Zillion “Granny Duck” Murphy (Ownby)

On Ancestry.com, you can find pictures of what is left of the house above.


This is only a tiny glimpse of some incredible family history. I can write about the Moffitt and Murphy families all day long! They are one of oldest families in McDowell County and a family with many other fascinating family connections!

Learning their family histories has helped me learn more about the other families in the area in which Peter and Catherine Vess once lived. Everyone seems to be related! Even if your Vess line has no direct connection to the Moffitt family, I bet if you dig deep enough, you’ll find that one is either a distant relative, close neighbor, or part of a family members story!

James Elmer Vess: Wrong Time and Place

James Elmer Vess was born on August 18, 1897 to Pinkney Elcanhah Vess and Cora Nevada Moffitt in Old Fort, McDowell County, North Carolina. In 1915, he married Pearl Lena Cox and together they had 10 children. James died on March 31, 1957 in La Grande, Union County, Oregon.



*This post is an opinion, written from a genealogical point-of-view.

The Man Everyone Wants To Forget

I descend from a west-coast Vess line that branched away from their North Carolina roots in the early-1920’s.

When I first got into genealogy, I had no idea the Vess family had deep roots in North Carolina, let alone that we still had a lot of family living there. For all I knew, the Vess family took the scenic route from Ireland to America’s western frontier!

Nobody ever talked about family history (not much to say) and nobody wants or even likes talking about James Elmer Vess!

James Elmer Vess is a man that everyone wants to forget.
Just the mere mention of his name often abruptly ended conversations with family. Those who did talk about him, mostly the older generation, were not so keen about him. Nobody would tell me what he did or why he left North Carolina and settled all the way across the United States to Oregon, of all places.

At one point, I was told to “let dead dogs lie,” especially, dead dogs like James Elmer Vess.

Well, I say let’s dig up some old dead dogs and see what secrets they hide!

Exiled From North Carolina

I don’t know the whole story or even a fraction of the whole story, but what I’ve been told is that James Elmer Vess was “kicked” out of North Carolina by his brothers for being a “drunken bootlegger.”

Based on newspaper clippings, that totally makes sense.

James Elmer Vess was undeniably an alcoholic.
He often made the papers in La Grande, Oregon (1940’s) having been arrested for “public drunkenness.”

Newspapers.com



I’ve also been told that he wasn’t the most pleasant person in the world; likely due to alcoholism, which only solidified his poor reputation.

The demons that drove James Elmer Vess to drink will never be known, but looking more deeply into family history, we can probably identify some contributing factors…

Moonshine: A Way Of Life

North Carolina, once referred to as the “Moonshine state,” is notorious for distilled liquor, especially in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

People have been distilling liquor long before they broke ground in Jamestown, Virginia; but moonshine supposedly got its start from the Scot-Irish, who supposedly had better methods of distilling liquor. And with western North Carolina having been largely settled by the Germans and the Scot-Irish, it is kind of difficult to imagine a bunch of rugged mountain men as tea drinkers.

In North Carolina, especially, deep in the heart of backcountry, moonshine was the way of life. Farmers produced moonshine, because it was worth more than their most profitable crop and it could help pay off their debts. There was even a time when local churches were somewhat lenient about it; partially, because EVERYONE did it and dismissing members from church would likely leave a church very empty.

Interestingly, we can see this somewhat tolerance towards alcohol in Helen M. Lu’s book, Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History. Many members of Bill’s Creek Baptist Church (Rutherford Co. NC) got in trouble for distilling spirits or drinking too much, including Andrew Logan Vess (James great-grandfather).


According to Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History, Andrew Logan Vess was excluded from the church in 1867 for “distilling some brandy for purpose of paying debts and providing for his family.” [pg. 153]

Andrew Logan Vess wasn’t alone. There are numerous accounts of other members (including his brother Josiah) of Bill’s Creek Baptist Church being excluded for either distilling spirits or excessive drinking, and, surprisingly, very few are shown to have been dismissed from the church.

The history of moonshine in North Carolina is fascinating, as it was part of a community culture that just didn’t mix well with the government (who wanted to tax it) and churches (that see it as sin). The war on moonshine in North Carolina had been an on-going issue since the early 1700’s!

Born At The Wrong Time At The Wrong Place

James Elmer Vess was born in 1897, a time when McDowell County (near Blue Ridge Mountains) was still pretty much backwoods country. According to census records, the highest grade level completed was the 5th grade, which was likely the highest level of education offered at that time in the rural areas of North Carolina.

Without school, who knows what types of trouble kids gotten themselves into back then! I imagine, at a young age, James had friends whose families distilled liquor and this is probably how he got his first taste of alcohol.

By the time James was a teenager, moonshine was a hot business, for that North Carolina began to prohibit the sale of alcoholic beverages in 1908, which was ten years before the rest of the nation. So, what kid doesn’t want to make a little extra cash running moonshine!

In 1920, the federal government enacted a nation-wide ban against the manufacturing, selling, and transportation of alcoholic beverages. Obviously, not the best time for those struggling with alcoholism!

Family Pressures: Moffitt Family Connections

Of all the Vess ancestors I’ve researched, I’ve got nothing on Pinkney Elcanah Vess, father of James Elmer Vess. Records are scarce; but from what I gather, Pinkney E. Vess seems to have been a simple man living a simple life.

In 1889, Pinkney E. Vess married Cora Nevada Moffitt, daughter of Rev. James Ivy Moffitt and together they had 7 children, all sons, with James being the middle child.

[Above Left: Cora Nevada Moffitt Right: Rev. James Ivy Moffitt]


James grew up in a religious family with several of his brothers following in their grandfather Moffitt’s footsteps in becoming Reverends.

I was told that all of James brothers had become Reverends (but him) and that it was all of them who kicked him out of North Carolina; however, to my knowledge, it was only his oldest two brothers who became Reverends: Rev. Lennie Oran Vess and Rev. Arthur Lee Vess, and maybe they strongly encouraged James to skedaddle out of town.

With excessive drinking a sin, bootlegging illegal, and being raised in a religious family, James Elmer Vess didn’t stand a chance with his alcoholism.

There was also likely a lot of pressure on James Elmer Vess to be a well-modeled citizen for the sake of his family’s reputation. The Moffitt family had been around for a long time and during that long time, they made some pretty well-known family connections: Murphy, Ledbetter, Ownby, Whitaker, and Bird (that’s just to name a few). They even have a family connection with the Burgin family.

I first encountered the Burgin family in my research back when AOL was a thing and they had a website that mentioned “Pioneer” Ben Burgin having had a “Vess” servant boy. I regret not printing that page, because I haven’t been able to find it again.

Anyway, the Burgin and Davidson families were pioneers of western-North Carolina who once owned lots of land and were also involved in the local government and politics. Simply, the Burgin and Davidson families were kind of a big deal.

Burgin-Moffitt: Mt. Mitchell Railroad

I discovered that Gertrude Moffitt, James aunt (Cora Nevada Moffitt’s sister) married “Big Jim” Burgin, who worked for the railroad. He is distantly related to “Pioneer” Ben Burgin through his third great-grandfather, John Burgin.

I was told James Elmer Vess worked for the railroad, but there isn’t a record of it. However, he may have worked for the Mount Mitchell Railroad.

The history of Mount Mitchell Railroad is short. It ran from 1911-1914 and was mainly built for the logging industry, but was later converted for tourism.

Mount Mitchell is located in Yancey County, North Carolina and according to the marriage record of James Elmer Vess (18) and Pearl Lena Cox (21), they were married in Yancey County, NC in 1915.

Pearl’s family, at the time, was living in Mitchell County, just north of Yancey County in a town not too far from Mount Mitchell.

I assume James likely met Pearl while working for the Mount Mitchell Railroad with his uncle” Big Jim” Burgin . And, while we’re guessing, it’s probably not too much of a stretch to think that James was probably sent to his aunt and uncle as an effort to keep him out of trouble. However, the mountains is where all the moonshine is!

Heading To The West-Coast

From my perspective, it appears that James Elmer Vess cut ties from his family long before he ever decided to leave North Carolina. So, what drove him to Oregon? I mean, that is a lot of distance between bad blood.

I was told the railroad took him and his family out west and according to census records, they must have headed out of North Carolina sometime between 1918-1920.

There doesn’t appear to be a 1920 census record for James Elmer Vess; however, there is one for Pearl who is shown to be in Colorado with her mother (Bertha Cox) and the children.

Looking at this census, there appears to be a lot of lodgers in Colorado working in the railroad industry, so maybe James was missed on the census due to traveling.

It also seems that Pearls parents have split. Her father, Elliot Wood Cox stayed in Mitchell County, North Carolina while her mother, Bertha Cox, found her way to Colorado. I do not know when Bertha arrived in Colorado, or if they all traveled together.

Bertha Mary Krels – Cox



There is also a good chance James Elmer Vess did leave due to bootlegging. It just makes sense.

Instead of his “Reverend” brothers kicking him out; it was more likely the law enforcement, nicknamed the “Revenuers” who were the ones who ran him out of North Carolina. According to the history of North Carolina moonshine, the Revenuers were a group of officials that were tasked to locate bootleggers and moonshiners in real hard-to-get remote places, such as the Blue Ridge Mountains where James had been living.

Settling In Oregon

Birth records tell us that James and his family were in Oregon as early as 1927. But then, it gets interesting.

In 1930, James and his family are in Oregon, working as a farmer, but they also seem to still have a residence in Colorado, according to the Colorado Directory listing for 1931. Probably, because Bertha (Pearl’s mother) was still living in Colorado and they didn’t update their move with the directory.

Also, in 1931, Pearl had their last child in Colorado and I assume it was while she was visiting Bertha. Eventually, everyone (including Bertha) settled in La Grande, Oregon, where I believe James retired from Hart Construction.

James and Peral 1941

The West-Coast Vess Line

In the 1930’s the railroad industry was declining, which probably explains why he went into the farming industry (1930 census). But, I am not sure if it was just the railroad that took him all the way up to Oregon.

Although majority of Vess families on the west-coast descend from James Elmer Vess, he was actually not the first Vess family on the west-coast.

In fact, the oldest son of Nathan Vess, Andrew Jackson Vess, moved to the west-coast sometime before 1880. They settled in Spokane, Washington. According to census records, it appears that his mother, Clarinda Bellew-Vess moved to Washington after her husband, Nathan Vess, passed away in 1879 due to consumption.

Andrew Jackson Vess and Mary “Polly” Davis
Ancestry.com



So, I can’t help but wonder, if at some point, James connected with his Vess cousins (if related) in Spokane, Washington on his way to Oregon. I mean, usually when people move far away, they move to places where there is family.

It’s Vess Family History

It appears that James Elmer Vess embarrassed his family with his alcoholism and bootlegging. We will never know if alcoholism was the actual reason he left North Carolina for that our ancestors took that to their grave.

He could have been kicked out by his brothers (no argument there), but from a genealogical perspective, that seems unlikely. If anything, his brothers probably kicked him out of the family home in McDowell County and maybe in the process they strongly encourage him to leave town.

Instead of leaving North Carolina, he may have went to live with his aunt Gertrude (McDowell County 1910) where he may have later gotten a job at Mount Mitchell Railroad with his uncle Jim Burgin. Working in Yancey and Mitchell County, is where he likely met Pearl, getting married in 1915. A few years after the railroad shut down, WWI records (1917) show James and Pearl still living in Mitchell County. I don’t know when James became a bootlegger, maybe after the railroad shut down (if he even worked for the Mount Mitchell Railroad). Maybe he came to the Blue Ridge Mountains as a teenager to be a bootlegger. We’ll never know.

But, I strongly believe that when James did leave the state (most likely due to bootlegging), the family story about the Revenuers (law officials) was eventually mistaken as “Reverend” and thus, the family story evolved into James having been kicked out by his brothers (who just so happened to be Reverends).

Regardless of what really happened, James leaving North Carolina to settle in Oregon is still part of Vess family history. A big part of Vess family history, for that to the best of my knowledge, James Elmer Vess is probably one of the very few, if not the first, Vess family to have settled on the west-coast who is a descendant of Peter Vess.



A HUGE Thank You to everyone sharing their family’s stories with me and helping me piece together VESS family history! 🙂





































The Life of Andrew Logan Vess of McDowell County, North Carolina

Andrew Logan Vess is one of my favorite ancestors to research, mostly because he actually exists on record! He has several records, which seems pretty rare for the Vess family!


Andrew “Andy” Logan Vess (1825-1905)

Nearly two hundred years ago, on April 25, 1825, Andrew Logan Vess was born in Rutherford County, North Carolina. He is the 3rd son of Peter Vess and Catherine “Katie” Crook.

Although records for Andrew Logan Vess are not entirely scarce, none actually pertain to his personal life.

Who he was as a man, husband, father and/or gentlemen is lost; however, we have been able to uncover several interesting events that occurred during his life.

*Correction: Catherine CROOK

Whereabouts He Grew Up

Records, as early as 1820, show Andrew’s parents, Peter and Catherine, living in Rutherford County, North Carolina.

Further research suggests that they were likely living somewhere on Knobs Creek near Bill’s Creek Baptist Church. Catherine’s father, John Crook, husband of Rachel Haynes, owned land next to her maternal grandfather’s land (William Haynes). 

According to Helen M. Lu’s, Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History, Peter and Catherine were members between 1829-1836, and Catherine’s grandfather, William Haynes, was one of the first pastors.

When Andrew Logan Vess was 6 years old, in 1831, his father obtained “100 acres of land on both sides of Cedar Creek in Rutherford County;” which has been narrowed down to an area located in today’s Broad River Township (now part of Buncombe County).

In 1838, records show his father, Peter Vess, was a member of Bethlehem Baptist Church of Burke County (now part of McDowell County); which is located not too far from his property in Broad River; which explains their absence from Bill’s Creek Baptist Church between 1836-1844.

Bethlehem Baptist Church was an extension of Bill’s Creek Baptist Church and both were part of the Catawba River Association (Helen M. Lu, pg. 15 & 86).

At the age of 19, in 1844, records show that Andrew’s mother, Catherine, returned to Bill’s Creek Baptist Church without Peter; suggesting that Peter may have died. According to deed records, Peter gave his land to a J. Souther, to cover a debt. 

At the age of 21, in 1846, Andrew Logan Vess and his brothers, also become members of Bill’s Creek Baptist Church (without Peter), suggesting the family likely moved back to Knobs Creek. 

First Wife: Linnia Halford

At the age of 24, on May 14, 1849, Andrew Logan Vess marries his first wife, Lucy Malinda “Linnia” Halford, the daughter of Thomas Halford and Sarah “Lollie” Jane Hill.

Andrew and Linnia had 7 children together: Calvin Bailey, William Columbus, James Harvey, John Alexander, Sarah Catherine, Pinkney Elcanah, and Thomas Logan.

John Alexander Vess, son of Andrew Vess and Linnia Halford (1857-1939) [Ancestry.com]
From 1800’s cipher and practice book


In 1850, Andrew and his family are shown living near his in-laws, Thomas and Sarah Halford in Montford Cove, Rutherford County, North Carolina.

Military: Civil War

At the age of 38, on Sept. 1, 1863, Andrew Logan Vess joined the military. He served as a Confederate solider (private rank) under the 62nd Regiment, North Carolina Infantry, Company F.


Click here for a brief battle history of the 62nd Regiment.


Click here for a brief battle history of the 64th Regiment (Allens Regiment)

Andrew served in the same Regiment as Nathan’s son, Abraham Vess of Haywood County. Unfortunately, Abraham was captured at Cumberland Gap and imprisoned at Douglass Camp. It does not look like Andrew was every captured nor are there any records indicating if he was ever wounded during his service.

Second Wife: Cynthia Conner

After the Civil War, in 1866, at the age of 41, Andrew’s first wife dies, leaving him a widower with 7 young children (the youngest being 1 year-old and the oldest being 16).

Several months later, on Jan 1, 1867, he married Cynthia Conner, a local midwife and daughter of Allen Conner and Mary Polly Crawford.

According to Helen M. Lu’s, Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History, the new Bill’s Creek Baptist Church was built upon land owned by Issac Conner, Cynthia’s uncle.

Andrew Logan and Cynthia Conner had 6 children together: David Andrew, Linnie, Easter, Noah M., George Washington, and Allen “Andy” Peter.

Noah M. Vess, son of Andrew Logan Vess and Cynthia Conner (1875-1958) [Ancestry.com]

Andrew, like his father, was a farmer. Census records show, that Andrew and his family eventually settled in Broad River (now McDowell County) near Old Fort.

The 1900 census record reveals that he owned a farm; however, it is difficult to determine the location of his farm. It is also not known as to whether or not, he inherited his father’s property on Cedar Creek. [Information about his homesite has been shared in the comments below]

Troubles At Church

The book, Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History, by Helen M. Lu, has been a great resource for information pertaining to the Bill’s Creek community, especially, information regarding Andrew Logan Vess.



The following are some interesting accounts mentioned in Lu’s book:

Case of Brother Andrew L. Vess
On 6 April 1862, he objected to himself on “account of drinking too much spiritous liquors.” After relating his conviction for the sin of intoxication he promised “to drink no more only as medicine.”

Bill’s Creek Baptist Church : Two Hundred Year History, by Helen M. Lu (page 109)

Excluded
Vess, A. L. Excluded 4 Jan. 1867 for distilling some brandy for the purpose of paying debts and providing for his family.”

Bill’s Creek Baptist Church : Two Hundred Year History, by Helen M. Lu (page 153)

Interestingly, a few days before he was excluded, he married Cynthia Conner.

Excluded
A. L. Vess Excluded 4 Oct. 1877 for joining Free-will Baptist.”

Bill’s Creek Baptist Church : Two Hundred Year History, by Helen M. Lu (page 189)

According to Lu, he re-joined Bill’s Creek in 1874 and 1893, “by recantation.”

Death: Old Fort, North Carolina

Davistown Cemetery Findagrave.com
Gravestone only displays his birthdate; likely, because it is not the original gravestone and date of death on the original gravestone was likely illegible.


Andrew Logan Vess died on June 10, 1905, in Old Fort, McDowell County, North Carolina. He is buried at Davistown Cemetery, next to Davistown Free-will Baptist Church. According to family, the cemetery used to be the Davis Family Cemetery.

Ancestry.com



We know that Andrew Logan Vess left Bill’s Creek Baptist Church for a Free-will Baptist church, but that church was not named on record. Perhaps, it was Davistown Free Will Baptist, but there doesn’t seem to be any available information about when Davistown Free-will Baptist Church was initially formed.


Citations:
Bill’s Creek Baptist Church: Two Hundred Year History 1782-1982, by Helen M. Lu. 

Resources:
-Family letters provided by different relatives
-Photos provided by family and Ancestry.com
North Carolina land grants and deeds
-Census records from Ancestry.com
-Civil War records
-Findagrave.com