Month: August 2024

New: Willis & Peter Vess Tennessee Records

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Pryor, William, and Peter Vest/Vess from Wilkes County, North Carolina settled in White County, Tennessee after 1810.

Peter Vest appears on the 1820 & 1830 census, near the Dodson, Hodges, and Medley families. Willis Vess/Vest only appears in land records (1831 & 1837), shown to join property with the Dodson (Daniel Dodson) and Medley families. This property is located on the south mountain side of Caney Fork, which later becomes Van Buren county in 1840.

The property is located in an area known as Sparkmantown. For the longest time, it consisted of the Vess, Simmons, Dodson, Sparkman, and Medley families.

This is the same Dodson family from Surry County, NC census records, near the Rose, Parks, and Whitlock families, mentioned in an earlier post, Following The DNA Evidence Part 1. They are also related to the same Dodson family who lived next to Peter and William Vess in Patrick County, Virginia prior to 1800.

In 2022, I discovered a land record between “Willie” Vess and Zachariah Simmons in Van Buren County, Tennessee dated 1846.

It NEVER once occurred to me there was a page number on that record!

With the page number, I was able to find the entire record and lo and behold: WILLIS VESS & PETER VESS!

This record includes Willis Vess, Peter Vess, Zachariah Simmons, and Daniel Dotson (Dodson). 1830’s records show Willis Vess joining land with Daniel Dodson in White County prior to it becoming Van Buren County in 1840. So, this is the same Vest/Vess family.

Additional Willis Vess Records: Tax Lists

Willis Vess is listed on the Van Buren tax records (District 2) between 1840-1842.
Interestingly, despite numerous land and tax records, Willis Vess never shows up on census.

Peter, Willis, and William Vess: Franklin County, Alabama

The question still remains – is this Willis Vess of Franklin County, Alabama?

Willis Vess, husband of Telithia Whitlock, first appear in the 1830 Franklin County, Alabama census. While, there are land records for a “Willis Vess” in White County/Van Buren County in 1831, 1837, and 1846. Could Willis Vess have obtained land in two different states?

Interestingly, we also find a record for a Peter Vess in Alabama. It is a newspaper article, dated 1840, announcing mail left at the Russellville Post Office. This is the same Post Office for Willis Vess per his 1860 Franklin Co. Alabama census record.

Simon Peter Vess (son of Willis Vess) had not been born yet. So, if this is not him, could this be Peter Vess from White County /Van Buren County, Tennessee?

William R Vess, Unidentified Son of Willis Vess

Furthermore, who is “William Vess” listed as “heir” on the Alabama land record for Willis Vess dated 1858.

Could this be William R Vest from Van Buren, Tennessee who is seen on the 1850 census with the William Dodson family? The 1850 census states he lived in District 2, which is the same district we find earlier tax records for Willis Vess (between 1840-1842).

Peter Vess in the 1830 White County, TN census is listed between 50-59 years old; so could Willis Vess in Van Buren County, TN be the son of Peter Vess from Wilkes County, North Carolina? And, could they be the same Peter and Willis Vess, associated with the Russellville Post Office in Alabama?!

Circumstantial evidence seems to suggest it, but we need more records and/or DNA testing to further support it!








Vess Surname and Finding Related Records

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The challenging part of Vess Genealogy is locating early “Vess” records and trying to determine if they belong to the R1a2 VESS family, the I-M253 VEST family, or a different family of a similar surname.

What Do We Know About The “Vess” Surname

The Vess surname related to the R1a2 North Carolina Vess family (Peter and Willis Vess line) is strongly believed to have been shortened from the surname TRAVIS (TRAVESS). The surname Travis is a variant of the surname Travers.

Y-DNA testing reveals that the R1a2 North Carolina Vess family are descendants of the earlier Travers family of Lancashire, England, which supports oral traditions that the Vess surname is not its original surname. 

Locating & Identifying “Vess” Family Related Records

Vess records often have the VEST surname. This makes it incredibly difficult to distinguish them from other unrelated Vess/Vest families. 

However, it is critically important to view the original document, for that many VESS family related records have been indexed under the wrong name (usually VEST) due to illegible handwriting.

The Vess name written in Old English is spelled, “Vefs.” Sometimes, it is misspelled as, “Vesf,” which is often incorrectly transcribed as VEST, as the f, often looks like a t. Sometimes, the e is incorrectly transcribed as an a or an o, often resulting in other variations, such as VASS, VAST, or VOST. 

While early records do exist with the VESS name, the Vess name on records did not become consistent until after 1850, when the United States implemented a mandatory school system, improving literacy. 

How To Know If A Record Is Vess-Related

We have generally found that IF an early ancestor has genealogical records that use the Vest, Vess, Vist, Vost, Vert, Vass/Voss names interchangeably in a single location, they are most often VESS-related. 

Whereas, the VEST family, who are unrelated to the VESS family, rarely, if ever, have “Vess” records. If there is a record indexed under the Vess name for a Vest ancestor, it is usually due to illegible handwriting on the original document.

“Vess” May Have Once Been Pronounced As “VOSS”

Oral traditions from the R1a2 Vess family mention that the VESS name was believed to have once been pronounced as “VOSS.” This is plausible, as the surname Travis, with a thick accent, could have certainly sound like “TRA-VOS.” To further support this theory, we have discovered that very early records of Vess (pre-Revolutionary War), alternate between Vess/Vass/Voss, more frequently than between Vess/Vest. 

One theory, based on records discovered thus far, could be that the early families with records alternating between Vess/Voss could be related to the early families with records alternating between Vess/Vest. Both families shortened their name from Travis to Vess, which was pronounced either Voss or Vess, depending on the accent and likely recorded as what appears to be “Vest” due to illegible Old English handwriting.

A Vess-Related Record Does Not Automatically Indicate A Vess Relationship and Vice-Versa

The ability to locate Vess-related records has allowed us to slowly identify and isolate groups of different earlier Vess and Vest families; however, we cannot in good faith, connect these families without additional supporting genealogical records (probate, census, birth, marriage, etc.) to prove a solid connection to one another, even in the event, DNA may suggest a relationship. 

Genealogical records are required to build complete and accurate family trees.

Absalom Vest & Hannah Raymond of Wilkes County

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In Wilkes County, North Carolina, there is a hidden pocket of “Vest/Vess” families who do not appear on census records, but are buried in court /tax records.

This Vest/Vess family was so well hidden in documentation that remarkably, neither the Virginia VEST family (Haplogroup I) or North Carolina VESS family (Haplogroup R1a2) have ever claimed them on their family tree!

Because they appear to be very close to many of our recently identified Vess-DNA matches (Rose, Sparks, and Parks families) in Wilkes County, NC and no known family trees for any of them…they could possibly be related to R1a2 Peter and Willis Vess family.

This Wilkes County Vest/Vess family includes Jonathan, William, Absalom, Pryor, and Peter Vest/Vess. Each with records using the Vess/Vest name interchangeably, which further supports a possible VESS connection, as the Virginia VEST family (Haplogroup I) rarely, if ever, have “Vess” records. There is also no evidence to suggest that any of the Rockbridge VESS families (not tested) ever lived in Wilkes County, NC.

Absalom Vest Death

Absalom Vest lived in the Hunting Creek/Brushy Mountain community. Records of his existence span between 1803 – 1820. He married Hannah Raymond in 1808 in Wilkes County. In 1810, they are shown to be in Iredell County, but they returned to Wilkes County in 1820. In 1830, Hannah is listed on the Wilkes County census, suggesting Absalom had died. The 1831 tax records tell us she owned 30 acres of land, possibly inherited from her husband.

Absalom appears to have died in 1829. According to Wilkes County court records (for 1829), Lucy and Harvey Vest are orphans. It specifically mentions that Harvey Vest is the son of Hannah Vest.

Lucy was bound unto Benjamin F. Martin, husband of Sally Rousseau. Harvey was bound unto Thomas J Bouchell.

Hannah Vest-Eades

Hannah returns to Iredell County in 1840 and is listed as “Vess” next to Issac Eades. Issac is the son of Ezekiel Eades, who she marries in 1854. We find Ezekiel and Hannah together on the 1850 Wilkes County census and they are listed next to Hannah’s son, Harvey Vest.


Lucy married William Fletcher in 1845 in Wilkes County, North Carolina, NC.

Hannah also has a daughter named Elizabeth, who married Wesley Dishmond in 1834 in Wilkes County, NC. They have a daughter named Maranda Fletcher Conger, per Indiana death certificate.

Absalom and Jonathan Vest/Vess, per Wilkes County court records, suggest a possible relationship with the Fletcher family (I assume they were close family friends), therefore, a Fletcher connection is not a surprise at all and further supports a likely connection to Absalom Vest.

Lucy, Harvey, and Elizabeth (born in North Carolina) settled in Indiana.


Patsey Vest

There is another Wilkes County marriage, via Patsey Vest and Gilpin Eades (1834). Gilpin Eades is also the son of Eziekiel Eades. I assume she is likely another daughter of Absalom and Hannah Vest.

1820 Census records indicate Absalom and Hannah had 5 children:

1 male under 10: assume to be Harvey
3 females under 10: assume to be Lucy & Patsey & 1 unknown.
1 female between 10-15: assume to be Elizabeth

Another William Tunwell Vest Mixup

Lucy and Elizabeth have public family trees (Indiana), however, they connect them to the William Tunwell Vest family of Stokes County, NC, instead of the Vest/Vess family of Wilkes County, NC.

This is likely because of their North Carolina birth. For the longest time, the William Tunwell Vest family (Stokes County, NC) was the only known early Vest family in North Carolina per census records, with the Wilkes County Vest/Vess family buried in court /tax records. We’ve seen this mistake made with other early North Carolina Vess ancestors (Peter and Willis Vess).

But to be fair, there are a lot of VEST families in Indiana who are truly related to the William Tunwell Vest family. AND, some descendants of Peter Vess (North Carolina) and Samuel Vess (Rockbridge Co. Virginia) also relocated to Indiana, making Indiana a mixing pot of different Vest/Vess families.

SO, is Absalom Vest/Vess a long lost forgotten VESS or VEST? DNA testing is the only way to tell for sure! If you or know someone who could be a descendant of Absalom Vest/Vess, please contact us about our Vess Family DNA Project. We are always looking for new testers to help us with our family research!

Sources:
Year: 1840; Census Place: Iredell, North Carolina; Roll: 363; Page: 231; Family History Library Film: 0018094 [Hannah Vess]

Ancestry.com. North Carolina, U.S., Marriage Records, 1741-2011 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015. [Eziekiel Eades & Hannah Vest]

The National Archives in Washington, DC; Record Group: Records of the Bureau of the Census; Record Group Number: 29; Series Number: M432; Residence Date: 1850; Home in 1850: Wilkes, North Carolina; Roll: 649; Page: 360b [Eziekiel Eades & Hannah Eades]

Ancestry.com. North Carolina, U.S., Marriage Index, 1741-2004 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. [Wesley Dishmond & Elizabeth Vest, William Fletcher & Lucy Vest]

Indiana Archives and Records Administration; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Death Certificates; Year: 1926-1927; Roll: 11 [Maranda Fletcher Conger-Dishmond]

Fourth Census of the United States, 1820; Census Place: Wilkes, North Carolina; Page: 493; NARA Roll: M33_83; Image: 344

Year: 1870; Census Place: Center, Hancock, Indiana; Roll: M593_320; Page: 357A

Year: 1870; Census Place: Richland, Fulton, Indiana; Roll: M593_316; Page: 83A; Family History Library Film: 545815

Familysearch.org Wilkes County, NC (Catalog) 1829 Court Records & 1831 Tax Records








Kick Off To Another Season of Vess Genealogy

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Oh WOW! Summer is officially over!!

For those of you who have been following this site, posts are pretty rare during the summer season.

The summer is when I rejoin the living, with my head out of the past and my toes in the sand! 🙂 BUT, that doesn’t mean Vess Genealogy goes on vacation too…NO WAY!

I post little genealogy nuggets here and there all year round on our Vess Genealogy Facebook Group! Posts often include newspaper articles, recently discovered records, family pictures, stories, DNA updates, and of course, some genealogy humor!

I am excited to announce that we have 270 members in our Vess Genealogy Facebook Group! Members include descendants of PETER VESS of Rutherford County, North Carolina, WILLIS VESS of Franklin County, Alabama, JONATHAN VESS of Jackson County, Texas, NATHANIEL VESS of South Carolina, as well as descendants of the Vess family of ROCKBRIDGE County, Virginia!

To join our FB group, click here!

DNA NEWS


VESS DNA Testing

We have an ACTIVE Vess Family DNA Project!
This project includes Autosomal and Y-DNA testers!

We continue to seek BIG Y-DNA testers for the Willis Vess, Jonathan Vess, and Nathaniel Vess lineages, as well as Vess/Vest descendants of unknown ancestry. We do not need any more Y-DNA testers for the Peter Vess/Andrew Logan Vess line.

Requirements for Y-DNA testing: Direct male descendant with the VESS or VEST surname.

If interested in BIG-Y Testing, please contact me via FB Group or vessgenealogy@gmail.com.


TRAVERS DNA Testing

A Big-Y test for an American TRAVIS line was submitted – waiting updates.

We continue to seek Y-DNA testers for the TRAVERS/TRAVIS family, whose Y-DNA testing can help us determine how the TRAVERS and VESS families are actually related to each other, and possibly help the Vess family uncover more early VESS ancestors and family history!

Requirements for Y-DNA testing: Direct male descendant with the TRAVERS or TRAVIS surname.

Research News

Last season, I felt like I had exhausted all the research resources available at that time. It was really discouraging. However, new genealogy records are uploaded every day and I am told new records have been added to Familysearch.org. I also have a few leads that may help me uncover some new family records! It’s just a matter of taking the time and effort to dig them up!!

The recent discovery, by Vincent Vess, that Catherine Cook is in fact a CROOK has led to so many new intriguing discoveries!! I can’t wait to share them this season!

I am still working on the Willis Vess family tree – it’s a bit complicated. But, we’ll get there! If you have any lineage information to share, please email me at vessgenealogy@gmail.com or message me via FB Group.

And this season… I will begin to really explore the early TRAVERS/TRAVIS families!

Help Us With Content & Research

I am always looking for more ancestor content (for my Featured Ancestor page) and new information to help further Vess family research!

If you have any information to further research or any family stories / pictures to share on this site, please email me at vessgenealogy@gmail.com or feel free to share them on our Vess Genealogy Facebook Group.

Furthermore, please pass the word about our Vess Family DNA Project! DNA genealogy is helping us bust through Vess genealogy brick walls! We welcome everyone to participate – Autosomal testers (anyone related to Vess) and Y-DNA testers (direct male descendants with the Vess surname). Our project is through FamilyTreeDNA.com

This site has been created to explore, share, and preserve Vess family history! It has also been created to help other family researchers with their own research.

Lastly, please share our research respectfully, by properly acknowledging us by citing thevessname.com as a source. Thanks! 🙂